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Apple Cider Vinegar and Baking Soda Causing Toxic Overload?

Posted by Bibi (Nashville, TN) on 02/27/2009

Removal of Toxins - toxic overload?

My concern is about removal of toxins and an overloaded burden to my kidneys. Although my last kidney function test was normal (because of lupus, I am concerned), after taking ACV and BS for a week, I started having pain in my mid-to-lower back on either side of my spine when awaking in the morning. My blood pressure went up, but after reading that sodium bicarbonate (BS) does not cause high blood pressure, I'm wondering if it was an overload of toxins being removed. I know ACV/BS should be five days on / two days off. Has anyone tried one day on / one day off? Would that be too little to be effective?

I have SLE/RA/diabetes mellitus - and, of course, metabolic acidosis. I'm planning on using the borax treatment twice a week, too. I've read about the herx effect for lupus, so I'm expecting that. Just wanting to get feedback on how to avoid overloading my system with toxin removal, especially after reading the Mycoplasma Fermentans page (questions) about cellular debris. Thanks for your feedback.

Replied by Ted
Bangkok, Thailand
383 posts

03/01/2009: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand writes: "Dear Bibi:

A lupus issue with kidney problems and diabetes on top of that, along with high blood pressure isn't toxin's being removed too much. Kidneys needs a balance of sodium to potassium ratio and the pH must be monitored. The problem therefore appears not to be the kidney's detox effect, I rarely encounter that, but that the kidneys simply isn't functioning efficiently from high blood sugar, low potassium, magnesium and vitamin B complex. The kidneys need nutrients too. The other issue is if the blood pressure did go up after taking apple cider vinegar with baking soda. Some modification may require to reduce this pressure and instead 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda plus 1/4 teaspoon of potassium citrate (or potassium bicarbonate) in 1/2 glass of water should quickly aleviate it. The consistency of baking soda or the use of baking soda and apple cider vinegar in the use against lupus, isn't so consistent without the use of borax remedy in addition. In fact diabetes and low potassium goes hand in hand. As a result the need to control blood sugar and the taking of potassium is a required remedy for those with a diabetic lupus condition.

It should be noted that kidney is especially sensitive to low potassium, while it is true that a baking soda won't lower a potassium level, a presently low potassium and high blood sugar wouldn't allow the remedy to work either.

In which case, if there is a problem, the standard remedy for lupus is not being used, which is why there is problem. A standard lupus remedy (without a diabetic condition) (the very basic) requires at least 1/2 teaspoon in 1/2 glass of water taken twice a day, plus 1/4 teaspoon (for most men anyway) of borax dissolved in one liter of drinking water. The addition of diabetes condition requires the addition of both potassium, chromium, magnesium and lecithin. The riding of toxins we tend to think of is kidney. However, kidney is just only part of the mechanism of removal, however the bulk removal is done through a 20 plus foot long intestines. So if intestines isn't functioning, causing constipation, it will cause undue pressure to the kidney to work hard, causing kidney overload. Therefore the addition of 1/8 or 1/4 teaspoon of potassium citrate (technical name tripotassium citrate) or potassium bicarbonate to the baking soda, would reduce both the kidney overload and the constipation of the intestines. The lupus is also supersensitive to accidity as well as steaks and meats, that has to be reduced by a large margin. The lecithin 1 tablespoon before meal is required to clear the liver of congestion, which is common for people with lupus and a liver congestion can create a condition of high blood pressure. As to how an apple cider vinegar would have cause a high blood pressure. That comes from the fact that the body is sensitive to acidic pH, even a slight acidity would create problems for a lupus and diabetes, and hence apple cider vinegar is not the remedy I used for lupus as a result. So simply a basic lupus remedy would do, but if diabetes is present here is the following remedy in addition to the basic remedy:

1. 1 tablespoon of granulated lecithin before meals
2. 1500 mcg of Chromium (most chromium works)
3. 1/8 or 1/4 teaspoon of potassium bicarbonate or tirpotassium citrate twice a day dissolved along with 1/2 teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate. Potassium is a required one for diabetes, and high blood pressure.
4. 500 mg of magnesium citrate (or magnesium chloride)
5. Vitamin B complex, in form of B50 at least once or twice a week.

It should be noted that the above is for diabetes and blood pressure issues, which goes hand in hand to the kidney's health. No apple cider vinegar should generally be used at least for the first 3 or 4 weeks is my own observations for many people. This is because some people will have low bicarbonates to begin with and it needs at least 2 weeks to replenish the bicarbonate before starting on with any ACV with baking soda.

I have also further modified the lupus remedy to work better, one of the newer remedy that needs adding is the bloodroot tincture. However, the bloodroot tincture I prefer, I do not like the use of any methanol alcohol, where the common names listed is "grain alcohol". The safest alcohol is an ethyl alcohol or ethanol, which is the same alcohol found in vodka, beer in general. A conservative dose that's needed for a bloodroot to digest the pathogens responsible for the lupus is 3 or 4 drops taken at 3 or 4 times a day in 1/2 glass of water. It can be mixed, in a baking soda and potassium mixture, so that these don't have to be too inconvenient when taken separately.

Whichever the case the bare minimum for a lupus (with a diabetes) remedy are baking soda, borax and potassium WITHOUT the use of apple cider vinegar. Watch what you eat, as this is often the cause to a high blood pressure, such as aspartame, meats, fried food, common table salt (using sea salt is a better substitute). A kidney pain would generally be reduced for this condition if apple cider vinegar are removed, and potassium is added, almost immediately in most cases, assuming the body is already low in potassium electrolytes to begin with.


P.S. A colloidal silver may help certain lupus and the dose is about 1 teaspoon 4 times a day.