Apple Cider Vinegar: Uses, Health Benefits and FAQ - Ted's Q&A

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Posted by Val (Woodland Park, CO) on 11/09/2008

I have started the ACV/honey regimen as suggested by Dr. Jarvis in his book "Arthritis & Folk Medicine." It makes sense to me that this might help with the calcification in my joints. But my frustration is that I've read on some websites (including this one) that ACV is alkaline, when Dr. Jarvis's main idea is that it is ACIDIC, which helps return the calcium to solution & keeps the body acidic, keeping pathogens from growing. It's very confusing, especially since most of the websites where I've read ACV is alkaline also talk about Dr. Jarvis & his book! It's like they quote him & recommend his theories, but haven't read the book! I DON'T GET IT! Can you explain this?

Replied by Ted
Bangkok, Thailand
383 posts

Dear Val:
Generally speaking, all you need is a pH meter and just measure urine pH and saliva pH. Usually ACV will cause the urine pH to be acid after taking this a couple of hours, usually upon the first or second urination after drinking apple cider vinegar, thereafter the next day it tends to become more alkaline from the minerals provided in the apple cider vinegar, hence the controversy.

This is true of both ascorbic acid vitamin C, citric acid, vinegar and apple cider vinegar. Take a point in case of distilled water, where a freshly opened bottle of this pH is 7, but if I drink them, the urine pH becomes acid because the distilled water lacks the buffering capacity.

Apple cider vinegar is an interesting one, a majority of mineral in nature tends to exist more on the left side of the periodic table, then processed foods, where these tend to be on the right hand side of the periodic table, and hence acid forming. The two left handed side of the minerals are alkaline and alkaline earth minerals, while processed foods are bleached and contains chlorine, bromine, fluorine, for example.

A case in point also is that this also depends on how high the body's calcium levels are. The apple cider vinegar are generally acidic in nature initially anyway and tends to react with the calcium in the blood and reduces this. However, vinegar isn't as effectively used to remove calcium from the blood if I compare this against disodium EDTA, tetrasodium EDTA, citric acid and sodium citrate, which has a greater capacity to chelate out the calcium. The chelation effects does not require acidity to remove the calcium, it requires the charges of the mineral to be attached to them and hence calcium in the blood are reduced that way. This is why blood banks add sodium citrate, or even disodium EDTA for example to prevent blood from clotting when you prepare the blood for storage. Blood tends clot and hence calcium has to be removed or the patients died of a stroke or other conditions during blood transfusion as the blood clotting tends to occur during storage and increases the risk to the blood recipient.

The confusion also exists on apple cider vinegar regarding "calcium removal" when you desire to remove "calcification of the joints". Sometimes bones tend to fuse as a bacteria eats up the cartilage, or a person suffers from fluoride poisoning (common occurance in fluoridated water as it accumulates over the lifetime) and the joints calcifified or a person suffers from magnesium deficiency, so bone formation doesn't occur so a "calcification of the joints occur".

Certain bacteria that exists in cartilage can eat up the cartilage, causing the two bones to fuse somewhat and people get the impression of "cacification" when infact cartilage is being eaten up and bone swells from excess wear as there is no cartilage between the joints to protect it.

A fungus like bacteria grows inside the bones, especially on the inside of the bones near the joints as blood can't reach where the ends of the bones meets since bone thickness is high and makes it ideal for them to growh. When they grow it eats up the bones and it causes a swelling of the bones. It appears as bone spurs in the foot because circulation there is very far from the extremities, but also occurs between the joints where circulation there are also less accessiable.

In fact much of my remedy isn't really geared to removal of tissue calcification by acidification. The reason is simple: bone formation requires a magnesium to calcium ratio of 2: 1. Bone is maded up of magnesium too. This is why the Japanese with low calcium diets has much lower incidence in these kinds of problem. Their diets is perhaps the highest in the world for magnesium, nearling a 1: 1 ratio, but ideally it's 2: 1, so it's still far from optimum nutritional wise. Two countries one in Finland and U.S. had some of the highest calcium to magnesium ratio also had the highest incidence in this problem as well as heart disease. Actually calcification of the tissue or excess blood calcium leads to blood clots which leads to circulation blockages that leads to a certain heart disease and stroke. However, in another instances, Israel has some of the lowest incidence in "calcification" but this owes to its high boron (e.g. borax) found in their drinking water, which is a mineral that tends to balance out the magnesium and calcium ratio, as well as anti fungal properties that helps condition of osteoporosis. Xylitol is another interesting case in point, which looks totally unrelated, but prevents the attachment of bacteria that eats up between the joint from forming colonies. A case in point is why xylitol is used against cavities. Well cavities can also occur riddled in the bones between the joints, not just the mouth, but we used a different names, such as osteoporosis, and other things based only on symptoms and location, which is really an arbitrary naming system. In fact people have told me glucosamine sulfate is a great stuff to help the joint pain. Well it does temporarily with some joint movements, but my own observation is it creates other problems which makes the blood acid, causes blood sugar to rise and make the person sicker. In fact a remedy just using borax, magnesium, xylitol with an appropriate alkalization remedy can go far on restoring bone health better then anything else that I have tested, provided that chlorine and fluorine is also removed from the food supply.

As an issue is why do we really need to acidify or blood to remove the calcium since a majority of people with joint conditions metabolically acidosis anyway. When metabolic acidosis exists, blood calcium rises and tends to accumulate and calcify in low blood circulation, and calcium is hence deposited. So the cause is really metabolic acidosis anyway. So the issue appears to be how do we remove calcium from the tissue and alkaline pH, not how we can create more metabolic acidosis to remove the calcium. It's not that apple cider vinegar is the problem. It contains certain chelation properties that removes calcium, even at alkaline dose. This means an apple cider vinegar with baking soda does have properties on calcium chelation as opposed to acid in removal, by way of acetate (an alkaline form) instead of acetic. Malates instead of malic acid, and citrates instead of citric acid. An example, I can cause most land animals to have stones if only fruits was given in their diet, not because fruits are lacking in calcium, but because it is the citric acid, or an alkaline form of citrates are well known calcium chelators anyway, but not necessarily remove calcium from the bones, but mostly from tissues, and joints because these areas has greater blood flow (with citrates) then the bone itself. The bone itself is much more susceptible to metabolic acidosis because the entire bone structure is bathed in blood fluids, not necessarily the circulation and hence are more effected by blood pH and metabolic acidosis then their blood flow. Hence it is why blood banks used citrates or sodium citrate.

In general, using baking soda and lemon juice remedy or baking soda and lime juice has high citrates from the reaction between baking soda and citric acid and may make better caclium removal from soft and semi hard tissues such as muscles and joint. Apple cider vinegar owes somewhat similar abilities from their malates and acetates, rather then teh acid itself. Its the chelation issue.

So if I want to treat bones, the remedy is likely to be potassium citrate, sodium citrate, baking soda, borax, magnesium, xylitol and perhaps taurine (to prevent sugar from reducing the immune system which leads to a bone condition). Citrates chelates out the calcium, without harming the blood pH. A blood pH off by just 0.5 is enough to kill a person. If calcification is indeed a serious one, then I might consider disodium EDTA. This is why bicarbonates and importance of maintaining a buffer is so elaborate in human physiology.


Replied by Val
Seattle, Wa

That sounds great.. But, what is the combination to take of these components that you have mentioned. I get heal bone spurs and would love to know.