Biochem Questions For Ted About Vitamin C

Posted by Bill Thompson (San Fernando) on 03/06/2015

Hi Ted,

I've been attempting to determine the best and most efficient way, in terms of max absorption and delivery into the body, of taking Vitamin C.

At the moment there are several ways to take it:

  • Orally as Ascorbic Acid(very poor, limited absorption -- only 15% to 20%)
  • Orally as Ascorbate (very poor gut absorption)
  • Orally as Liposomal Vitamin C (same poor absorption as AA)
  • Orally as Dehydroascorbic Acid (better than any of the above methods for absorption but completely dependent on cellular anti-oxidants)
  • Topically using Ascorbate + DMSO. Allows for about 80% absorption of ascorbate directly into the blood
  • Other methods using threonic acid or threonates(these are close cousins to AA) -- I know very little about these.

I'm also left with the conclusion that Dehydroascorbic acid(DHAA) and the DMSO + Ascorbate forms are probably the best to take in terms of max Vitamin C delivery into the body. I am also clueless as to whether the threonic acid or threonate forms would be even better.

I'm also left with the conclusion that seems to show DHAA to be of little use against cancer since the healthy human cell must contain adequate amounts of anti-oxidants, such as glutathione, in order to reduce the DHAA back to its more useful ascorbate form as a cellular anti-oxidant. However, cancer cell fluids are known to be heavily deficient in anti-oxidants so, once the DHAA enters the cancer cell, then there would probably be little or no reduction of DHAA to ascorbate occurring. Is this conclusion correct ?

Which is the best method and form of Vitamin C to take in terms of both max amount and efficient delivery into the body ?

I also know that adding lugol's iodine to vitamin C in solution also creates DHAA but that the amount that you can supplement in solution is limited to the amount of iodide that is also produced in this reaction

Can I use hydrogen peroxide safely to direclty oxdize ascorbate to the more useful DHAA and safely use this form orally in larger amounts?

Ascorbic Acid Oxidation by Hydrogen Peroxide

Liposomal vs. Oxidized Vitamin C

I also hope that you and all your family are exceptionally well and that you remain 'hassle-free' !!

Best regards,

Bill :)

Replied by Ted
Bangkok, Thailand
03/06/2015
384 posts

Basically I tried vitamin C on cancer cells, especially tumor lumps. It is impossible to dissolve except in case of multiple myeloma or leukemia, which are successfully treated with liposomal vitamin c or just lecithin and vitamin C fully dissolved. Tumor type cancers are so difficult to dissolve such that when you cremate a person two things are left: the bones and the tumor! Not a lot of people are aware of this fact, but a Buddhist monk who regularly cremates a person is well aware of this fact. If the tumor is small enough, like few centimeters and near surface of the skin, then is easy.

Edgar Cayce once recommended people of removal by surgery only as practical and safe. But chemo and radiation has a poor record of success. Now the other that actually reduce large tumors are two ways. Rife frequency device, the original one. All predecessors after that basically don't work consistently, although in less severe cancer cases is quite ok and does buy a lot of time in the order of years, along with blood sugar control and dietary restrictions.

The other way for tumors that are not very large is dissolving the fibrin which is THE MAJOR COMPONENT FOR TUMOR and CANCER. Fibrin can be dissolve using protease, pancreatin, chymtrypsin (especially), and trypsin. The vegetarian source of enzyme is the bromelain and papain but bromelain works better. Disulfide bonds which forms tumor must be broken down. This theory is espoused by Dr. John Beard in 1900s and practiced by Dr. John Kelly. A student his, Lawrence Cochrane, knew that the very large tumor (10 to 15 pounds) that Steve McQueen had could not be dissolved, so McQueen opt for surgery but was killed by pharma in a mexican hospital to get Kelly Cancer destroyed which was successful.

Vitamin C is ok but not the main actor. Dr. Rath basically goes for lysine, green tea extract, and proline. Which he is correct, but the way you administer is given before sleep. If given in morning it works not very well.

There are other effective treatments but dioxin which is found in all dairy products has to be avoided.

Ted

Replied by Mmsg
Somewhere, Europe
03/09/2015

Ted, in breaking down fibrin in a tumor, would serrapeptase be of any help? And if so, would topical application to a skin cancer, for example, be useful?

Replied by Ted
Bangkok, Thailand
03/13/2015
384 posts

Yes, serrapeptase will help, but animal pancreatin and some chymotrypsin and trypsin also. Ted

Replied by Wydo
Ca
09/14/2016

Hi Bill,

I've read that the Riordan Clinic had done some research to try to find something that would increase the half life of vitamin C in the body. They eventually found that alpha lipoic acid greatly help in promoting the vitamin C's pumping mechanism in the body. So vitamin C stays in the body longer in order for it to do it's job on the cancer. If combined you may not need as much vitamin C in the body. However that said, cancer patients can take much more vitamin C than a healthy human and the patient needs to find the maximum amount of C that he can take but gradually work up to that amount so that he doesn't die from too much dead cancer. The best of all cases would be intravenous C where a Dr. would administer it. Of course if you don't have that you have to work with what you can. I heard of patients taking as much as 30 g of C. I don't know how they do that.

You probably have researched all this and know this but I thought I would put it up for you just in case you haven't.

Wydo :)

Replied by Bill
San Fernando, Philippines
09/16/2016

Hi Wydo...Thanks for your post. I would agree with you that Vitmain C is a wonderful nutrient. There has also been much contention about the best way to supplement or take Vitamin C. I certainly would not disagree that liposomal vitamin C or vitamin C by IV are efficient ways to supplement this nutrient. However my own preference and criteria would also have to include the best method to be both well absorbed into the blood as well as cheap.

A little known method for efficient vitamin C absorption is by supplementing the dehydroascorbate form of Vitamin C. This is the oxidized form of vitamin C. This form has proven to be far better absorbed and more useful than the liposomal form and is at least equal to the IV form. And it's remarkably cheap. The only pre-requisite is that you must like the taste of zuchini smoothies. See this youtube video for more on this method.

There are also other methods of creating dehydrascorbate. Ted's well known method of combining ascorbic acid in a glass of water with lugol's iodine is pretty well known. But if you add 1/2 tspn ascorbic acid + 1/4 tspn sodium bicarbonate to a glass of water and then add 6 drops of 5% lugols iodine then this also produces small but useful amounts of dehydroascorbate. The molecular iodine reacts with the ascorbate and oxidizes it to dehydroascorbate while the iodine gets reduced to sodium iodide. This is what makes this drink so powerful. And you can also add other ingredients to this drink like magnesium chloride, MSM and green tea to make it even more powerful and beneficial.

The last one is a particular favourite of mine because its so simple and cheap. Just combine a solution containing ascorbic acid and sodium bicarbonate as described above. Then create a 50-50 mix of this solution with DMSO and just apply it topically to the skin and you will have a very efficient method of getting ascorbate directly into the blood. The DMSO will carry at least 80% of the ascorbate directly into the blood. With this method there is no vitamin C loss from digestion and no problems with poor intestinal absorption which is completely bypassed because this is a topical method. I like this one because its exactly like having an injection of ascorbate without the needle pain.

ALA is also a big favourite of mine. This nutrient is remarkable because it will convert the used up or oxidized forms of glutathione, vitamin C and vitamin E back to their more active and beneficial reduced forms. ALA will also aid the liver by removing poisons and purifying the blood. It reduces dangerous blood sugar levels. Dr Burt Berkson is the guru for ALA -- he wrote an excellent book called The ALA Breakthrough which is well worth a read.

Replied by Baldev
Maharashtra
09/19/2016
188 posts

Hi Bill,

On the subject of vit.c, your last method seems to be quite interesting and I would love to try it. My question is the ratio of ascorbic acid and sodium bi carbonate is 2:1 and then it is to be dissolved in water, as much which dissolves them and then 50:50 of this liquid and DMSO. The DMSO is to be 99.999%. Can this liquid be prepared and kept in the bottle, any shelf life and how much to be used on the skin.

And thanks a lot for replying my earlier post, your suggestions are very valuable. Regards

Baldev

Replied by Wydo
Ca
09/21/2016

Hi Bill,

I have seen that video before and seen criticism of how well might work. Do you know of anyone that has used it for cancer successfully?

Based on what Ted has wrote in the past I have been making my own sodium ascorbate and add the Lugul's iodine as well as mg chloride but I did not know about adding green tea and MSM. Thanks for that one.

I have made a solution of sodium bicarbonate and DMSO to apply over sore muscles but I never thought of using sodium ascorbate with DMSO. I'll have to try that. Maybe it will work better for the sore muscles.

I am going to look up the book The ALA Breakthrough as I have been taking it for many years now for lowing blood sugar. It will be interesting to find out all about what it does.

Thanks


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