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Posted by Howard

Dear Ted:Thanks for the valuable discussion. I am not sure that I can buy comestible magnesium chloride in Japan, although I suppose you could get it off the Net. I have just begun drinking a tea of Gold Coin Grass (you won't find it in Japanese so-called "chinese medicine shops"), which is supposed to soften and/or dissolve the stones. According to Julia Chang, this should be followed by "Chinese Bitters" and then a "liver flush". I am rather concerned about the "liver flush". Firstly, there seems to be a debate as to whether it really does expel the stones, and secondly it could be risky to consume so much olive oil on one occasion.

There are several other alternatives which are ignored by mainstream medicine.
They are:
1) Li Dan Pian, a patented Chinese medicine.
2) Chanca Piedra (Quebra Pedra in Portuguese), an Amazonian herb medicine.
3) "Slackstone", Spanish "water-modifying ampoules" to enable drinking water to dissolve the stones it normally could not.
4) Turmeric, daily consumption of small quantities.
5) Apple juice with hydrangea and/or gravel root (slow liver/gallbladder flush).
6) Rowachol, a plant terpene preparation from Ireland.
7) Peppermint oil.

There may be others. It must be remembered that there is always the possibility of cancer in the biliary tree. Here too, Chinese medicine has something to offer. There is Chinese medicine available on the Web specific for this condition, which they say should be used "in conjunction with standard treatments". However, as the "standard treatments" offer zero chance of survival with that type of cancer, one might as well rely entirely on Chinese medicine. A further option perhaps would be to take proton radiation treatments (instead of standard electron radiation treatments) which do not destroy adjacent healthy tissue and, of course, spare the biliary tract from useless surgery. This would then be followed again by Chinese medicine. For the moment, I will see where I am after consuming one month of Gold Coin Grass. If there is no improvement after all these approaches, then one could take ursodeoxycholic acid from mainstream medicine, aware of course that it may have some nasty side effects, not least of which is pneumonia. Looking forward to the opportunity to contribute more to sparing others from the misery of modern technological medical treatment in the year 2005 on planet earth. Very sincerely, Howard

Replied by Ted
Bangkok, Thailand
391 posts

Dear Howard:
Thank you for the mention of chinese medicine. Yes, turmeric that you mentioned was found to be helpful based on my experience also.

I remember about 2 decades ago that a Thai doctor found a cure for gallstone, and as a prevention as well. One of his findings was a phosphorus deficiency. So what he did was provide the villages with phosphorous rich food such as sesame seeds. Well, it worked. However, none the hospital supported that policy as it would ruin their income, so everything became quiet.

There is another study which concerns diet as it relates to gallstone as follows:

A pilot study of antioxidant intake in patients with cholesterol
Author: Worthington HV; Hunt LP; McCloy RF; Maclennan I; Braganza JM
Address: Department of Nutrition' Royal Infirmary' Manchester' UK.
Source: Nutrition, 13(2):118-27 1997 Feb
Abstract: Whereas macronutrient intake has been extensively investigated in an
attempt to unravel the pathogenesis of human cholesterol gallstones' theoretical considerations and animal models suggest that deficits in micronutrient antioxidants may be more relevant. We report a pilot study of this aspect. The plan was to obtain 7-d weighed food inventories over a 6-mo period from equal numbers of patients who had not consciously changed their diets' patients who were on low-fat diets and age- and gender-matched controls. Food tables would be used to derive daily intakes of 16 known antioxidants' essential amino acids' and essential fatty acids. Under-reporting of food intake' a recognized drawback of this dietary method' would be sought retrospectively by reference to a key publication giving minimum cut-off limits for ratios of energy intakes to basal metabolic rates. There were 18 pairs for study. Analysis of data for the 9 pairs involving patients on their normal diets showed no differences in the intakes of energy macronutrients' and cholesterol' but the patients ingested lower amounts of 10 among 16 antioxidants (P < 0.05 for methionine' alpha-tocopherol' manganese' and vitamin D; 0.05 < P < 0.10 for cysteine' beta-carotene' vitamin C' selenium' zinc' and phosphorus). Both subsets of patients ingested lower amounts of linoleic acid (diet unchanged P = 0.009' changed P = 0.026) and several essential amino acids than did matched controls. Institution of a low-fat diet caused the expected fall in intakes of energy and saturated fatty acids such that the deficit in alpha-tocopherol was amplified' but substitution of fruit and vegetables by the patients resulted in a fortuitous increase in vitamin C' beta-carotene' and manganese intake.

analysis confirmed under-reporting of food intake by all four subsets of subjects but there was no significant difference in the mean ratio of energy intake to estimated basal metabolic rate in the subset of patients who had not consciously altered their diets and the subset of matched controls. Furthermore' the lower daily intake of alpha-tocopherol and linoleic acid by these patients persisted when results were expressed relative to total fat consumption. The results support the hypothesis that insufficiency of dietary antioxidants' particularly alpha-tocopherol' may be germane to human gallstone disease; they also suggest that low intakes of linoleic acid and essential amino acids may be relevant. Because of the small sample sizes' however' these deductions should be regarded as tentative' pending confirmation by biochemical analysis of blood and especially of hepatic bile."

And, by the way the reason why I supported Magnesium chloride is the possiblity of chloride deficiency. Which is a possibility since you are taking electrolyzed alkaline water. Here is an article which supports hydrochloric acid therapy. In this article read the part about a man, Peter D, age 50 being cured of gallstones. Yes you are right, you have hydrochloric acid insufficiency. Chlorides will help you and a possibility to take Sea salt 1/4 teaspoon per 1 liter drinking water is helpful if you follow Dr. Batmanhelidj's Your Body Cries for Water. Sometimes when I am sick I add to one glass of water 2-3 drops of HCl to help with my mysterious high blood pressure. Well anyway here is the article which concerns the necessity of chlorides:

Walter B. Guy, M.D.

In a previous article emphasis was laid upon the necessity of free chlorine in the gastric fluid and its fundamental role in carrying on normal digestion, assimilation and excretion. Also certain consequences were indicated of the metabolism of the body cells, if its secretion by various causes was interfered with.

It was also shown that chlorine deficiency would cause incomplete digestion and bring about a slow starvation of the mineral elements, and thus produce abnormal symptoms, indicating profound changes, not only in the skin, bones and glands, but also in the nervous system, such changes causing malfunctioning of the spinal nerves. Also that this dysfunctioning of the motor and sensory spinal nerves by lack of control over cell life may give rise to neoplastic growths.

In this paper an attempt will be made to bear out this hypothesis; to show that mineral deficiency is quite common; also to show results of treating various diseases with a solution of mineral chlorides, the formula of which was given in the before-mentioned article and also here.Editor's note: I was not able to read some of the copy nor find the meanings of some of the symbols. It is very old style apothecary nomenclature.

Rx Liq. potass. arsenitis (Fowler's) illegible
Tr. ferri chloridi. fluid drams iss
Sol. potass. chloride (10 per cent.) fluid drams iij
Sol. acidi hydrochlor. (3 per cent.) ad fluid ounces j
M. Sig.: Gtt. v to xx well diluted three or more times

Before doing so, the writer desires to bring out some interesting facts found in the vegetable world, in order to clarify, if possible, the hypothesis advanced. Mineral deficiency has long been recognized in the agricultural world, and results of same, to a marked degree, have been studied, and appropriate remedies or fertilizers have been applied, and results from their use verified.

It is not the writer's intention to take up all these minerals, but to select the few necessary to bring out the salient points involved.

Let us take, for instance, the deficiency of potassium in soils. Corn or maize grown in such a soil is apt to be sickly and die. When examined by biochemical methods, deposits of iron salts were found in joints of corn; also coagulation of proteins. When potassium salts were applied to soil this condition disappeared.
Tobacco plants grown under the same deficiency will become sickly; also areas of necrosis of cells appear on surface of Ieaf, etc. Does not this at once call to mind pernicious anemia, with its debility, lack of gastric HCI deposits of iron salts in liver and kidneys? The necrosed cells of tobacco leaves surely point to a great similarity of our commonplace epitheliomata of the skin.

In soils deficient in calcium and phosphorus another variety of disease appears: wilts and fungi of root system and an accumulation of aluminum in the tissues of the corn. Quite a few articles on absorption of aluminum have appeared in various medical magazines, indicating that this element, foreign to the body cells, causes much disturbance, such as nerve and digestive disturbances. Calcium deficiency is quite common even in Florida, where the artesian water is impregnated with calcium salts. It is recognized by the tendency to nocturnal asthma, worse from cold and dampness, slow healing of broken bones, lack of strength and myocardial weakness; also a low blood pressure, twitching of muscles, and cramps.

That the nervous system is implicated in tumor formation we believe is indisputable. The lack of sensation or pain in the area involved in the early stage of the disease shows dysfunction of the sensory nerves. That spinal nerves may have more than one function to perform is a truism corresponding to the varied functions of other organs. Nutrition, cell growth and repair, cell control, and inhibition of cellular growth must also be included in their functions, as well as motor impulses and sensory impacts.

We need greater knowledge of gastric chemistry: how the warm peptic hydrochloric solution functions, how it breaks down food products, changes slowly but surely the minerals into chlorides to be again transformed in the duodenum, these chemical changes liberating heat and vital forces for the use of the brain and nervous system, etc. Deficiency of this hydrochloric peptic solution must, of necessity, bring about in the animal economy a slow starvation of the mineral elements, an imbalance, also a fixation or deposits in various tissues. For instance, as already mentioned, deposits of iron in anemia, deposits of urea and sodium in gout and arthritis, an overplus of sodium in edema, a probable deficiency of potassium in tumor and epitheliomata; also a deficiency of calcium in parathyroidism and some forms of asthma; a lack of chloric acid must be manifest in alkalosis of cancer, tuberculosis and septic infections. Progressive diseases of eyes, ears, kidneys and uterus may come under potassium deficiency; also tumor formations. The value of potassium iodide in syphilitic nodes and gummata is well known and universally applied. The various calculi of kidneys and gall-bladder, deposits of uric acid in tissues also indicate a lessened solubility of salts, showing deficiency of hydrogen and chlorine.

Chlorine, like oxygen, carries on its own combustion in the digestive organs, while oxygen functions in the blood and lungs. Deficiency of chloric acid solution also indicates a lowered immunity to infective organisms, lowered vitality, impaired appetite and excretions, endocrine dysfunction and premature old age.

Hydrochloric acid is also the protective agency against microbic life in food and water intake of the stomach.

The first case to be reported is one showing marked indications of duodenal growth and who, after three weeks treatment, with good results, of the mineral chloride solution, developed severe nocturnal asthma. Calcium chloride was added to the solution and immediate relief was obtained.

Case of Annie M.; Age 45 years, colored, normal weight 170 lbs., losing weight for one year, now 140 lbs. For the past two months, frequent gastric distress. July 5, 1932, found in great distress in region of stomach for past three days. Soreness over duodenum. Unable to vomit, no relief from soda bicarb.,etc. Gave the acid mineral chloride solution 3 minims (drops), diluted, every half hour. July 6th reported complete relief in 6 hours. Examination showed (hardness) and tenderness in duodenum. Gave the solution every hour while awake. Diagnosis: Probably precancerous condition at pylorus.

July 13th, much improved; soreness relieved. Gave the solution three times a ay. July 27, no sign of soreness of duodenum or induration (hardness), but had developed nighttime asthma. The solution plus 10% calcium chloride: relief of asthma reported next day. Still under treatment, steadily improving.

Case of Andrew D., age 26, school teacher. Asthma at night, greatly aggravated by dampness, rainy weather and bathing in water. Calcium chloride, three times a day diluted, was given. Immediate relief of all symptoms; can now bathe in ocean, get wet in rain without previous symptoms. Still taking remedy once

Case of C. T., Clubfeet, low blood pressure weight 188 lbs. Fractured tibia and fibula midway between ankle and knee. Seven months in hospital with regular treatment of milk food in excess, also calcium lactate and cod liver oil. Left hospital with ligamentous union of bones freely movable. The acid mineral solution plus calcium chIoride, 3 grains, diluted, three times a day. In spite of a sharp attack of influenza, complete ossification had taken place in 6 weeks and he returned to his occupation.

The next few cases are diagnosed growths in digestive organs. They were treated by the solution, some intravenously, all by mouth. Most of these cases were probably in a precancerous condition or early stages of cancerous disease.

Case of James C., age 53 years. Dec. 12,1930
Diagnosis: papilloma of the bladder: no loss of weight. Second attack of hematuria; last, one year before, bright blood and clots for two weeks with soreness in bladder.
Treatment: intravenous injections of the solution once weekly. The solution four times a day for four months. Bleeding slowly disappeared; no recurrence to date.

Case of Peter D., age 50, Greek, married, two children, normal weight 135 lbs., now 102 lbs., jaundiced four months, growth in gallbladder easily outlined by palpation. Several surgeons and specialists gave fatal prognosis. X-ray picture indefinite. Oct, 10, 1931, the solution intravenously once weekly and by mouth four times a day. Bile laxatives at night. First two weeks, lost 4 lbs. Third week passed bile, and icterus gradually cleared. Treated by mouth only after three months. One year later no indication of tumor, in good health, no history of gallstone colic; weight 128 lbs.

Case of T. W. M., age 60. Feb. 16, 1932. For two years had suffered from severe gas pains for several hours after eating-no loss of weight, now 158 lbs. Blood pressure 110. Examination showed soreness and induration of sigmoid flexure.

Gave 9 minims (drops) after meals. Feb. 23, 1932, reported immediate relief of gas pains. Continued the solution, treated spasmodically until May when he had
a severe attack of influenza. June 11, 1932, soreness and induration still present, but much reduced. The solution was continued; still under treatment. As he is out of work, he is greatly despondent, but much improved at last visit.

Case of Lyla G., 87 years old, colored, many children. June, 1929, found writhing with stoppage, gas pains, vomiting. Examination showed immense adenoma of
descending colon. Gave the solution intravenously; no other treatment. Next day reported relief in 5 hours. Four more injections were given intravenously, then by mouth. October, 1929, showed tumor almost disappeared; treated for 3 months longer. September, 1930, reported tumor in right tibia, size of an orange. Diagnosis: sarcoma. Treatment: the acid mineral chlorides by mouth. July, 1932, although complicated by two attacks of edema, is in good health; very small swelling of leg still present.

Case of J. L. J., colored. age 40 years. Oct. 8, 1931. Tumor removed from abdomen one year previous; fibroma. Complained of severe pains over abdomen. small tumor present in site of previous operation. Gave the solution internally. Complete relief in 3 months and disappearance of induration (hard spot) or tumor. June 10, 1932, no sign of growth.

Case of C S. colored, age 50. 4 children living, weight 100 lbs. Three miscarriages. For 10 months had pain during eating; great distress after. No relief from medicine. Asthenia and insomnia. Examination: liver enlarged; hard mass in outlet of stomach and edge of liver. Gave the solution intravenously and by mouth. Complete relief of pain after eating in five days. Growth in pylorus cleared up, but induration (hard spot) still remained in liver. Treated one year, complete relief, no sign of tumor remaining, well at this date, July 1, 1932.

Case of L. P., age 63, colored. Aug. 2, 1930.
Dairyman. Operation for removal of stone one year before, suprapubic incision, no history of venereal disease, frequent urination during day, none at night.
Loss of weight, 11 lbs. Examination: prostate shrunken; tumor size of small orange in scar. Treatment: Intravenous injection of the solution weekly-, same by mouth q. i. d. (four times a day). In three weeks time, tumor had softened and in six weeks had entirely disappeared. Opened urethra by sounds (a searching instrument), which aggravated trouble. Solution continued at intervals. July, 7. 1932, still under treatment, much improved; had lost in beginning 15 lbs., gained 7 lbs.

Case of A. K., age 67 years. Sarcoma of right mastoid for eighteen years. Three years ago had radium seeds a applied, for pain and swelling had became severe.
Partial absorption and relief from pain, then a decided recurrence of all a symptoms six months later.

Gave solution without HCL. Much improved for a while; then relapse. HCI was added to solution three months ago, with great improvement, tumor decreasing and pain in nerves of jaw nearly disappeared, with gain in weight, strength and facial appearance.

Case of J. D., Nashville, Tenn., age 62 years. Jan.11,1931. Recurrent growth in larynx. Operated on 5 times at Johns Hopkins; last time Oct. 15,1930. Very
hoarse, larynx swollen, inflamed, involving epiglottis, putrid tongue. Solution given by mouth; still under treatment. Thinks he will get entirely well, as he is greatly improved and able to speak in public.

Case Of C. S. S. 57 years. Sept. 19, 1930. No history of syphilis. One year ago had an attack of vertigo, unable to walk, face and tongue paralyzed on left
side, deafness in left ear, blood pressure normal. Left knee reflex slightly exaggerated, left pupil larger. Diagnosis: Brain tumor causing pressure on brain. The solution gave quick relief. June, 1932, recurrence, same. Symptoms, also a hernia at 6th cervical vertebra of spinal fluid, which varied in size at intervals and
could be squeezed back into spinal canal. Solution again given six times daily. In two weeks relief of symptoms and drawing in of hernial sac. He is now walking, can stand with eyes closed, reflexes normal, face and tongue normal. This case shows action of acid mineral solution on the fluids of brain.

These cases, chosen for their variety of symptoms, show but little of the possibilities of this method of treatment.

Diabetes has been treated with this remedy, with very gratifying results. Doubtless some of the curative results of insulin are due to the 1 per cent HCl that the preparation contains; likewise the famed adrenal cortex solution. During the (first) World War, Dakin's solution of chlorine, lime and soda became famous for its curative action because of its power to liberate minute quantities of chlorine into suppurating tissues. The acid mineral solution likewise liberates chlorine into the general circulation of the body.

It may be criticized that the dose of solution is very small, but if we call to mind how the farmer uses but one ton or less of an 8% potassium fertilizer to the acre-that if too much is used, then injury, instead of growth is produced-so likewise, as we are dealing with the delicate pH equilibrium of the tissues, small doses (repeated often, if necessary) are better than massive medication.

Pulmonary tuberculosis has responded wonderfully to this solution, and, if another paper is in order, cases can be quoted later. So far, it appears that uterine fibroids and myomata are not benefited by this method of treatment.


The world is in sore need of a reliable, effective remedy for cancer and tuberculosis, also a preventive treatment. The writer does not claim that he has a perfected remedy, but he does claim, by repeated proofs, that this solution contains in itself an ability to promptly cause many precancerous lesions to disappear, that cancerous conditions of the internal organs, where other methods are so futile, are and have been dissipated, and that in cases too far advanced for recovery, relief of pain and distress is so marked that such patients believe they will entirely recover.

If the chlorine deficiency hypothesis be true, as it seems to be, we have in this solution a reliable, inexpensive medication which, taken daily for several months, will prevent the imbalance of minerals; likewise restore into the circulation, for assimilation or excretion, pathological mineral deposits in the tissues involved.

Other physicians will doubtless test out these claims, as some are doing now, and publish results, and the writer hopes that in the near future hope will take the place of despair, and no longer need cancerous victims face inevitable and untimely death.

(1) The intravenous dose used by writer is 3 to 5 minims (drops) in 5 c.c. of distilled water at 5 to 7 day intervals. Dose by mouth: 3 to 20 minims well diluted 3 to 6 times daily.

(2) The solution has been proved by the writer to be an effective and curative remedy in many cases of cancerous growths; also it points the way to the etiology of cancer and how cancer may be avoided.

(3) The remedy can in no wise cause injury; also advanced cases of cancerous disease ofttimes find great relief from pain and toxemia.

(4) It has curative properties in diabetes, tuberculosis and other degenerative diseases.

(5) It will restore the normal acidity of the stomach, and thus bring about those conditions whereby the digestive organs will absorb those minerals necessary for sustained health.

(6) The solution should be administered before and after surgical or other methods of treatment in cancerous affections.

(7) The formula is the result of over three years' clinical study in many diverse diseased conditions, testing and eliminating unnecessary salts, and as now constructed should produce even better results than those herein reported.

(8) Certain minerals in a weak hydrochloric acid solution by reason of its free ions, are quite active, and but small doses are required.

(9) Taken regularly for sufficient time, the solution will correct alkalosis and put into circulation precipitated salts.

(10) The solution by releasing free chlorine ions, raises immunity against infection and also an increased phagocytosis.

This is but one of several articles on the use of Hydrochloric Acid orally, intramuscularly and intravenously in combatting cancer and other serious diseases.

Replied by Cindy
Toledo, Ohio

Does the herb gold coin grass dissolve kidney stones? Thanks, Cindy

Replied by Amy
Redwoods, California

To Howard/Ted, It has been some time since your last post (Howard) though I am curious what you found to work best for you and the gallstones you had. If you would please share your experience with the Gold Coin Grass and the other remedies listed I would greatly appreciate it.

I have been dealing with gallbladder issues/"probable" gallstones for the past 6 years. I do best with no dairy or fried foods, no wheat, no eggs, low intake of meat, no alcohol or coffee. I notice discomfort when I wait too long to eat, I eat too large a meal, or I am under a lot of stress. I'm working on drinking plenty of water. I tried doing the lemon juice, olive oil, epsom salt cleanse and coffee enemas a couple of times- nothing too dramatic either way for me. Several years ago I tested(blood) for food sensitivities and 20 foods showed up, there has been some relief from staying away from those foods.

Something else that is interesting to me is the connection between gallstone formation and low stomach acid. In accordance with the Blood Type Diet, I am Type A-, and it speaks of this blood type usually having low stomach-acid content. I'm curious to know more about this. Also, most of my food sensitivities showed to be congruent with the Type A foods to avoid.

I take Milk Thistle and drink green juice (w/added dandelion leaf & turmeric root) every day. I saw GCG on Julia Chang's website some time ago but have not purchased it. I've also read about the other various herbs and supplements you listed, curious to know what you discovered - or anyone else who has had success with clearing gallstones.